incomprehensible. the senseless killing of innocence, children and their teachers. we now know the names of all 20 children ages 6 and 7 who were murdered in their own classroom. that place which should be a haven of safety in a heartless world. their names so much like the names of children we all know, 12 girls and 8 boys. charlotte and dillon, jesse and emily to name just a few. and just a little while ago, we heard from robby parker the father of 6-year-old emily, one of the victims shot and killed yesterday along with 19 of her little classmates. >> first of all, i would really like to offer our deepest condolences to all the families who were directly affected by this shooting. it's a horrific tragedy and we want everybody to know that our hearts and our prayers go out to them. >> judge jeanine: we're also hearing stories of children
who helped their classmates escape. of the school principal who rushed the gunman in an effort to protect her school. of a teacher who put herself in between her students and the gunman to protect her students. both losing their lives. and tonight we're learning more about the evil, more appropriately the devil who tore through that sandy hook elementary school. hello and welcome to this special edition of justice. we are live in newtown connecticut and i'm judge jeanine pirro. the police dispatch audio tells the chilling story as police and first responders hear of the carnage taking place at an elementary school. >> sandy hook school, caller is indicating she thinks someone is shooting in the building. >> respond to the sandy
>> judge jeanine: the medical examiner dr. wayne carver held a press conference a short time ago giving us horrifying insight into what happened at that school in those last moments. our own molly line was at that press conference. molly, tell us what happened. >> the medical examiner released a lot of details today and they really speak of clarity with just how horrible this situation was. he essentially made very clear
that the victim suffered multiple gunshot wounds at the hands of a long gun, a rifle he clarified when he was asked to clarify. we know that he participated in a number of those exams himself of the victims, of these loved ones, and that of those he examined they suffered 3 to 11 gunshot wounds. we're talking about such little children, the youngest victims 6 years old, a boy named noah, tiny, tiny people that were desperately trying to save their own lives and these women, six women gunned down that were trying to save the children. >> judge jeanine: you know, what was interesting in that press conference is also the fact that he said although he is a chief medical examiner, this is the worst that he has ever seen. >> he says he has worked about a third of a century in his life doing medical exams. this is the worst he has seen and the worst that all his colleagues have seen. it really speaks to the nature of this. just hearing about it, what we have seen here on the scene, the emotion of the community, but he has physically seen it himself. they asked if he had broken down yet if he had cried
about. this he said so far he hasn't. he said so far he hasn't. >> judge jeanine: clearly a big issue will be, you know, the emotional response by all these first responders, police and everyone else. molly, we hear that the president is coming into town tomorrow. what can you tell us about that? >> the details haven't been nailed down exactly but president obama is expected to make a visit to the town to participate in an interfaith vigil essentially pull toying this community. some vigils held against this community since the massacre has occurred. everyone pulling together. the newtown has pulled together. the surrounding community has pulled together. this just shows that the entire country is involved in what's happened here. this is a much bigger tragedy. not just newtown and not just connecticut. >> judge jeanine: all right, molly, thanks so much. molly will be on the scene here tomorrow continuing with her coverage. and now to mike tobin with reaction from the people of this small town in connecticut. mike? >> and, judge, this is a night when the pain of this tragedy is refreshed. and that is because we're learning now the names and the
faces of the smallest victims of this unspeakable tragedy. names like 7-year-old grace mcdonald whose family said she was the love and life of that family. 6-year-old emily parker, who said good by to her father before he went off to work. >> she woke up before i left and i had actually been teaching her portuguese. our last conversation was in portuguese. and she told me good morning. and asked how i was doing. i said i was doing well. she said that she loved me, and i gave her a kiss and i was out the door. >> sadly familiar, the makeshift memorials are popping up around town with can dids, toys, flowers laid out. the people here are drawing on the bond forged in a small town so they can somehow endure this sadness. >> i don't know.
i don't know what to do because we have never been faced with something of this magnitude. our focus is gift. we have enough time dealing with it as adults processing all the information. focus on the kids and try to get them through this. >> judge, if you look behind me you may notice that the flag pole in the center of town, the flag is at half-staff. there is something missing from the center of town. that is christmas decorations. a the lo of people here felt it just wasn't appropriate to celebrate in the face of all this tragedy and voluntarily took the christmas decorations down. back to you. >> judge jeanine: how sad. mike tobin, thanks so much. with us now on the phone is robert lacota whose 6-year-old son aden was in school yesterday. he actually witnessed the shooting of his teacher vicki soto. robert, are you there? >> yes. hi. >> judge jeanine: all right, robert. thanks so much for being with us this evening. tell us about your 6-year-old. what did he see?
what did he tell you? >> well, he did hear noises. and at that point his teacher, vicki soto who is a hero in all of our minds is a wonderful teacher and person had the presence of mind to make sure the children were in a relatively safe area of the room away from the entrance of the classroom they were waiting for someone to come. at that point the gunman burst into the room and shot vicki
soto and that's when more shots were fired. >> she was actually -- she was actually shot in front of your 6-year-old son? he saw the shooting? >> correct, yes, she did. >> and what is he telling you now, robert, about how he is feeling and how are you dealing with this? >> we're trying to keep a normal routine. we're trying to get in you know, brush his teeth and go to bed at a reasonable time. we do ask him and he does ask questions about the bad person. and you know, yesterday was particularly difficult. he was fearful of even going home after we left the politician. you know, he -- left the police station. he is getting better but he is still afraid of bad people.
>> judge jeanine: robert, i also understand that you have a 7-year-old daughter who was in the cafeteria actually in leaving the school saw the bodies of these children? >> well, it's her classroom was near the cafeteria. she was in her room with her teacher and fellow students in a different section of the building on -- yeah. but she did as i'm sure many of the children did bear witness to very horrific things. but, yeah, she did see some bodies there, yeah. >> judge jeanine: finally, i understand that your son understandably, aden, who saw his teacher being shot, is reluctant to be separated from the family or from you. i imagine that that's not surprising? >> yeah. so we're, you know, we're going -- we're getting through this with the love and support
of our family and our neighbors. we're staying close. that doesn't mean that today we did -- he did have a play date with a good friend of his. at his friend's house. so as long as he is somewhere where he feels safe, it's a good thing. but more often than not he wants to know we're close by and wants to stay in familiar places but, yeah. >> judge jeanine: certainly, certainly understandable. robert, thank you so much for sharing this with us. and all of our energies are going to you this evening and to your son as well. thank you. >> thank you. >> judge jeanine: now i'm joined on the phone by steve. whose daughter described to him what she heard over the loud speaker from the principal's office when the shooting began. are you there, stephan? >> yeah, hi, judge. how are you? >> thanks so much for being with us this evening. i am well. how are you? how old is your 8-year-old daughter? >> she is doing pretty good.
samantha is a strong willed child thank god. and at this moment we are blessed my whole family has been blessed that she came out of this thing physically okay but naturally it's very very very rotten situation to be in for all of us. it's been very rotten. things are getting better. >> judge jeanine: what did she say she heard? >> what happened, she was in mrs. martin's class and they, unfortunately, in their classroom don't have a bathroom or any means of hiding or escaping in any cabinets or anything. someone unfortunately did trip the loud speaker system and she heard cursing coming from the loud speaker. not cursed kids kind of looked around and then they heard
two. she heard two large noises. that's when ms. martin was just fabulous. she basically got the kid in the corner and made them remain there quietly and they just waited it out until the police came. >> stephan, this whole sir couple stance, i mean, this whole situation, when did you hear about it? what was the first thing you heard and what were the first thoughts? >> the town is, as everybody has heard across the country and the world, the town is just a great great town and what most americans understand something like this never happens, especially in our town. they need to be aware but basically we have a reversed 911 system recall any events that happened. and if you see that and i
first heard that there was a possible shooting. and so, know, what's run through your mind obviously your mind just races and your adrenaline goes right to your head. so basically i was at my office in new york and obviously drove towards newtown and one of my father's friends frank called me and actually was locating our children for us. i had a sense of relief before i actually got there until i actually saw her i wasn't satisfied. >> judge jeanine: all right. stephan delgiudice thank you so much for sharing. our love goes out to you and your family as well. amazing stories from inside the school. a teacher tells us about the students that he lost.
>> evil visited this community today. >> a call came into dispatch, police officers and resources from all over the state raced to that area as they converged on the school. >> the children obviously were very shaken. they were crying in the closet. when they were leaving, the police made them hold hands and told them to close their eyes. >> they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduations. weddings, kids of their own. >> my gym teacher directed us to stay against the wall.
everybody started kind of panicking. >> there is no words. it's shear terror. >> doesn't even seem real. it just does not seem like it's even possible. >> we all huddled and i kept hearing these booming noises. [siren] >> i just all of us moms networking trying to figure out what's going on. >> kids were terrified. they were terrified. they had just witnessed something and they were terrified. >> most traumatizing thing i have ever been through. >> may god bless the memory of the victims and in the words of stricter heal the broken hearted and bind up their wounds. >> judge jeanine: ray horvath is the head teacher for the school age program for the sandy hook elementary school. four, four of his students
were killed yesterday. ray himself had left the school just minutes before the blood shed. he joins me now on the phone. ray? >> yep? >> are you there, ray? >> yes, i am. >> thanks so much for being with us this evening. tell us about this program that you rub. what is the school age program? >> it provides a service to the parents. parents who have to drop kids off early. obviously you don't have babysitters at 7:00 in the morning. parents who come home late at night need to park their kids somewhere. so we provide tutoring, we help them with their homework. we provide, there is is various components to it literacy component arts and crafts. we fill up there before and after school hours. >> all right. so then yesterday morning, you were with these kids in the program whose parents dropped them off at school before school starts.
and you left before the shooting started. were you at all familiar with the shooter, i mean had you even heard his name before? >> i'm sorry, i just. >> judge jeanine: you never heard of him. >> i don't think anyone in town is quite familiar. now search familiar with him. >> judge jeanine: all right. ray, let me go right to the four students that were killed of yours. did you see them yesterday morning? what was yesterday like at school? >> very ordinary day, very ordinary. a lot of fun. i love kids. we have a lot of fun with them. yeah, i think all four were with us yesterday morning. [clearing throat] >> i'm sorry, it's still pretty fresh. so i get a little choked up.
>> all right. >> judge jeanine: of course you do. ray, very quickly we're coming up on hard break here. it was normal day for the four? >> yeah. sent them off. once the buses arrived, we transfer them we send them out of the room and to their classrooms. they join the crowd coming. in and we stayed, we usually get out at 9, i mean 9:15, 9:20. we stayed a little late. you know. >> >> ray, thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> >> you are welcome. >> judge jeanine: how the killer got into the school.
>> we have established the point of entry. i can tell you it he was not voluntarily let into the school at all. that he forced his way into the school. that's as far as we can go on that. >> judge jeanine: yesterday's massacre was just the latest incident of school violence that we have seen in this country. sandy hook elementary school had safety measures in place, but the shooter was still able to gain entry which raises the question how safe are our schools and how safe are our children? with me is fairfield county police chief gary mcnamara. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you are a police chief just 30 miles from here. >> just a little south of newtown, yeah. >> >> judge jeanine: you are familiar with the issue of school violence and school safety in connecticut. >> i am. >> connecticut is a small state. so you know the chiefs of police in the area really get together. so any time anything happens
we really do come together and dissect it together. >> judge jeanine: chief, what is mandated. is connecticut, is there anything that's required of this state? >> there is, all schools have to have a crisis plan in place. and then every three months after columbine high school in 2000, they have to -- every three months put that plan into place. the school superintendent, the school administrators have to work with local law enforcement every three months. sort of like a fire drill to implement the plan to ensure -- >> -- i understand that these children actually had gone through some of the fire drills and they had done that. but the issue of safety and the threat assessment, i mean, does the federal government mandate that every school have a threat assessment done regarding safety? >> well, i think there is some sort of a mandate. and i'm not really familiar with how heavy that mandate is. but i think given the atmosphere. it's a public mandate. you have to have a threat assessment in each school.
>> judge jeanine: who decides, chief, how much safety is implemented at a particular school. >> i think it depends on the school district. it depends on the law enforcement and the design of the school. how old the schools are. >> judge jeanine: it's really the locals who decide this? >> it comes down from the state. school districts can go to the state police and go to the state for threat assessment. >> judge jeanine: all right. and finally this is not the first time that this state has dealt with the issue of school violence. >> it has not. we have experienced something in fairfield back in 2002, a classroom full of students held hostage for a period of 8 hours. thankfully nobody was injured as the case here. it touches all of us. connecticut is a small state. we are all here helping together. >> judge jeanine: unfortunately we had many die in just over the woods behind me right now. chief, finally, very quickly, do you think that this could have been prevented? >> you know, given the minimum facts i have, i don't think it could have been prevented.
>> all right. >> i think we have saved a lot more kids than would have been done if there were no plans in place. >> i think we have got to work a little harder though. chief mcnamara thank you for being with us this evening. >> thank you. >> coming up: who was this shooter who literally unleashed hell at an elementary school. coming up inside the mind of a killer.
>> he was different, he was quiet. nice kid. good kid. i mean, he was definitely challenge the family in that house. every family has one. i have one. they have one. but never in trouble with the law. never in trouble with anything. i know she had issues with school. she eventually wound up home schooling him. she battled with the school district. in what capacity i'm not 100% certain if it was behavior or learning disabilities, i really don't know but is he a very very bright boy. he is smart. >> judge jeanine: it doesn't make sense. a lot of questions about the shooter. but i have to tell you my background, i'm really not so interested in the mental state of the shooter. i'm interested in the victim. i'm interested in the people who never chose to be a victim in the first place as opposed to guy who makes a a decision to dress up in black garb and a militaryake a
long gun and two semiautomatics and come into the school where the most vulnerable victims in our society are and take their lives. to me, the issue of the state of mind of the criminal is not so much about his state of mind but about his choice. he is the one who chose to pick up a gun. he is the one who chose to make a decision to kill. but having said that, my prosecutor background i will now put on hold and i will ask and first of all introduce dr. john sharp, who is a psychiatrist on the faculty of the harvard medical school, dr. sharp, so good to have you here. you heard me ramp, i don't much care about this guy's state of mind. i care about the victims. the victim's family the ripple effect. the fact that this town will forever bear the insignificant any i can't insignia that happens here. >> let's talk about grieving
and. >> i'm a parent. i drop them off at that school because i thought they would learn to be safe. what am i feeling right now? >> you are feeling angry. you are feeling scared. you are feeling so many different emotions it's hard to keep them straight. everyone woke up today to the worst nightmare to even imagine than when they went to bed last night. what parents have to do is provide a sense of safety for their children. >> judge jeanine: but they didn't. do they live with guilt? how do they resolve what they have gone through? how do they protect their own children. >> what we know two different things. that doesn't make us feel better or safe when we consider dropping our kid somewhere or going to a mall. we have to remember that we can support one another and recreate a sense of safety. and make sure the kids feel that wait a minute kids can be more resilient than adults even. >> judge jeanine: i he agree kis are more resilient. we just spoke with a father
whose 6-year-old is afraid to have him leave him side. >> that's a normal response. respond to what you are seeing in your children. it's different if you are talking to a 6-year-old or a preteen or teen. 6-year-old is very concrete. you want to see thousand they are feeling. make sure they feel safe. observe them and comfort them. preteens get caught up in morality. very black and white. make sure they are thinking right. >> judge jeanine: what about the kids who are watching television and should parents take advantage of this situation to talk to their children and say this is what you should do or this is, you know, what happens in the world? >> especially they are teenage years. the younger i think less exposure the better. all of us can overdose on television. we shouldn't overdo it in any way. we shouldn't overdrink or exercise or isolate. we should try to be mod democrat and in communication with one another and open to receive whatever support is going to help us. counselors, religious support. one another.
>> well, okay. and then what happens with the children and the parents who clear live will go into a depression? >> well, that can be treated. so i don't think we should think that that's a failure. we don't think of that of any kind of a short or moral upcoming. that's very treatable. we are not talking about the shooter here. he play have had a condition too. anybody suffering now can be treated and move toward healing. >> judge jeanine: final question before i go to dr. barbara kerwin a forensic psychologist sitting in new york city now. you know, when we say can this kind of thing be prevented and you think that maybe it can be, if you know enough about the individual. you know, my question really is why is the world so different today? why are people doing this? why is this becoming the norm? >> you know, i don't have the one answer for that. people think that there is a too much of culture of violence. people are too isolated in their own minds.
the mental health system isn't as good as it should be. loving embrace that insisted on therapy of a meaningful sort that he could have accessed and afford could have avoided this. >> doctor, thanks so much for being with us this evening. know, doctor, you ran the unit for the violent criminally insane at creed more. so you have got a lot of experience with this kind of thing. were there a tell tale signs or are there predictable issues or factors that would identify this individual as a dangerous individual. >> what we're seeing with him is the story that we see again and again with these coins of creepy people that go in and unleash this type of violence. he was the loner, he didn't get along with other people. he had issues in school. he was brill yent. bright and something was
disturblily wrong and nobody seemed to take notice of it until we have the unthinkable. it's not so unthinkable when we have a unbalanced paranoid angry isolated individual. is he really following the pattern of that paranoid type. we had james holmes out in aurora, colorado. a similar kind of personality. and my issue is when are we going to become aware of this? when are we going to intervene? >> judge jeanine: doctor, is there any way for us as a society to say this guy is a loner, we better check him out? look, when i was a judge, they bring people in flont of me and say he is danger to the community or himself i do a psychiatric on him. thieves are yownel males in their 20 we are talking '. aurora, all of the other shootings and columbine and all of that. how do we catch these people. >> they are not isolated completely a community of one.
now they are know of people who killed this young man. he bass poor the. i didn't behave correctly. that's when we need to notice. that's when we need to say he needs to be examined. he needs help. more states than not have assisted outpatient treatment programs. we can insist that people who show weirdness, proclivities trardz violence, social isolation, bizarre thinking. >> judge jeanine: you know what, doctor, with all due respect and you are certainly a well respected doctor as is dr. sharp. this kid was home cood. there has got to be something because his mother wanted to home school him. >> why did she want to home school him? what was going wrong? you don't pick a kid out of school and home school him if everything is rosy for him in
school unless you have a religious persuasion. >> why did the mother and, of course, dr. corwin and dr. sharp. why did the his or her have those semiautomatics on the bush blaster. barb sharp. thank you for being with us. the shooter had access to an arsenal ever weapons. where did he get them and why did he use them? stay with us.
[inaudible] >> judge jeanine: joining me now with mark fuhrman, fox news contributor and someone who like me, has been at many crime scenes involving young children. mark, are you there? >> i am here. >> judge jeanine: mark, i see you now. all right, mark, look, there is no question that the devil had been in newtown connecticut. you and i have seen outcome children in homicide scenes. it is something that nothing can prepare you for. but the number of children in this situation. the number of children dead and as we heard from the medical examiner with multiple wounds has to be difficult for the most seasoned homicide detective and the first responders. what do you say to that, marc? >> i say it's impossible. it's one thing that you deal with, some of the people that
commit their life to crime. gang members. people who commit to violence. they end up getting shot or injured. that's one thing even a domestic situation is different innocent children. nobody prepared for. this the only scenes that i really remember that i can never erase, one is a 4-year-old little girl that i'll never forget. so, no, it never goes away. and the only way you do is you just detach yourself and get your job done and try to get out of there. >> judge jeanine: we both know is what you do is you close your mind off emotionally. you become the detective, i become the d.a. but in the quiet of the night, mark, you and i both know that scene comes back to us over and over again. now, marc, i have specifically not mentioned the name of the shooter. i wouldn't give him that. i wouldn't give him anything other than what he deserves if he were to live. but, what do we do about the
fact that we have got schools where our children are that we're not able to protect them? i mean, what do most schools have? should there be armed guards at our schools in the elementary schools? what do you think should happen? >> well, we address terrorism by trying to fortify or make soft targets hard targets. that's really what we need to do. everything else can come after that. but you need to make it as difficult as possible for somebody that's not authorized to get into any school. that is the first step. until that step is met, then you can't go forward with a plained clothes police officer or security or anything else even training some of the teacher what is to do. you have to first make a barricade. and make it a harder target because right now every suspect that wants to commit this type of violence knows that they will get on the
property and they will get inside. >> well, and that's the hard part. but you know maybe we need to learn from the schools in israel. schools in ireland who have all taken precautions for their children and, you know, we live in a free society. i don't know if there is any way to protect against. this mark fuhrman thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you, judge. >> judge jeanine: coming up, we have all had our faith shane by the evil that confronted us yesterday in the form of a 20-year-old in black fatigues and a military style vet. after the break, what can we do to come to grips with this horrific tragedy?
>> the pain in this town is palpable. the devil was here yesterday. how does one even begin to heal after the physical and the that so many experienced. donna morsi is a spokesperson with the red cross. also with me is sparticus and his handler brad. donna, i understand that you came in from boston as soon as you heard about this. let me say one thing about the red cross, we lost our home in upstate new york. the red cross was there and brought food to us. we hadn't eaten in a while and i want thank you on behalf of so many people. but what did you see, hear compared to some of this stuff, who horrific stuff i'm se that you have already seen? >> clear there sun imaginable tragedy condolences go out houses of worship.
people with grief across their faces. we have over 100 red cross workers on the ground. providing food and water. most importantly emotional support. mental health counseling, not only to the families affected and the larger community but to the first responder who's have been so profoundly affected? >> judge jeanine: people who haven't seen this kind of thing before. i'm going to go to you, brad, now, you were here, hey, good luck and now you decide, oh, sitting here quietly waiting for his shot and of course he just jumped down. sparikus. tell us about him. >> is he a 3-year-old akita. is he a certified therapy dog. >> what is a therapy dog. what does a therapy dog do. >> provides comfort and love to those who need him. we volunteer in hospital locally, so we visit with children and patients he sits there and hangs out with him. people will sit there and feel
comfortable. decompress what's going on why work today and last night with children and their families. when counselors invite us in. be with the child and/or children. and the. >> they are not afraid of him in he is big and by the way is he beautiful. i don't know if you can see his eyes, he was sitting quietly for a few minutes. is he a magnificent dog. you are not worried about a child upsetting him? he won't get upset and won't bite? >> no. is he a very -- therapy dogs one of their qualities are they need to love children. be good around all sorts of activity. he lost children because of the volunteer work doing at a local hospital appropriate to come up and be with the children to help decompress first responders and teachers as well. >> is this new having a dog
come in. i don't remember seeing this kind of thing using a dog as therapy. >> no much. it's well documented. not well known many times. in spaticus case first time i considered making him therapy dog 8 months old and autistic child came up to us in new haven green. 8 years old. he stayed with us two and a half hours. he was very articulate. when he left us he aside from this, that may be able to get them past the hump. getting a dog to focus on for the children who either saw something that happened in school or the siblings of children who have been lost. >> red cross has stressed the importance of parents talking to their kids, talking to them about their fears talking about their safety. even the most seasoned of volunteers. we are human first. so we're here taking care of
each other coming together as a community. mental health counselors and people can help you deal with your griefs. so important. >> judge jeanine: i want to thank you donna morsi again all that you do with the red cross. thanks so much for being with us. of course, sparticus -- he is starting to turn around. anyway, good night, everyone. thanks for being with us. hopefully you join us tomorrow night for another special edition of 9:00 of justice. the intercom in the office went off as if they were going it make announcement. scuffling noises. i thought somebody hit the button by mistake and they were in the office. one of the secretaries answered the phone and said there was a shooting. >> mayhem in the room with all the kids and teachers trying to find your kid. identify where yours is and
making sure they are safe. find out what the situation was. >> she was in a small class. a reading group and they started hearing, i guess, bangs. and her teacher which i'm so grateful for, there was just a small group, they rushed the kids into the bathroom, and they locked the door. and they just told the children that it was hammering and tried to keep them calm. the next thing i know because it's very hard to get the complete story. the next thing i know is that the police came in and they were knocking on the door to be let out. of the classroom. and when they were, she had seen glass and blood. one child was covered in blood but i understand that child is safe and was not hurt and must have been somebody else's. >> it's shear terror and a
sense of immediate urgency. and, you know, to get to your child and to be there to protect them. >> 18 children pronounced dead at the school. there were two that were transported to area hospitals and pronounced dead at area hospitals. there were six adults pronounced dead at the scene at the school. >> we have endured too many of these tragediesed in the past few years. and each time i learn the news, i react not as a president but as anybody else would, as a parent. that was especially true today. i know there is not a parent in america who doesn't feel the same overwhelming grief that i do. the majority of those who died today were children. beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.